Please read a correction at bottom of this article.
Borean Pickets YouTube, and beroeans.net, are two websites run by Eric Wilson. There Eric teaches his interpretation of Bible topics. He also teaches against Watchtower’s interpretation of Bible scriptures.
While doing that Eric was tracked down by Jehovah’s Witness elders and disfellowshipped. He was disfellowshipped for no longer believing Watchtower teachings. Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowship their members to “keep their flock clean”, away from contaminating practices and beliefs held by members who stray away from their beliefs and mandated practices. Once disfellowshipped no other Jehovah’s Witness is allowed to speak to them, except family members who live in their same household. Therefore, the disfellowshipping policy of Watchtower silences disfellowshipped members. Eric argues against Watchtower’s silencing policy. Yet he practices that on his websites.
I was carrying on a conversation with a visitor to Eric’s Beroean Pickets YouTube channel. His guest wanted to know my biblical views, which I freely shared. That conversation was then then erased by Eric’s assistant, who sent me this message:
Highlighted reply Beroean Pickets 2 hours ago I am Vintage, Brother Wilson’s assistant. Messenger, I saw in one of your posts this statement: “But Jesus being God, he is in a completely different position from any human receiving a spiritual body.” Jesus isn’t God. I am deleting your conversation with Jeff Horn.
It appears that brother Vintage took it upon himself to censor me and not Eric. I just became aware of this after a reply from another guest was attached to my comments. Below I list that reply and my response:
However, I now see the need to amend my blog as it appears that brother Vintage did not have authority from Eric to do that. Which is a good thing since Eric preaches against such censorship.
The Bible calls Christ God in several scriptures, that’s true. And so he will be to people who have everlasting life. It is impossible to prove he is not almighty, because scriptures state he is the EXACT representation of the Father. If you believe he is not almighty you don’t accept those Bible scriptures. Also, I believe it is impossible to prove the name Jehovah only represents one individual. How about this, the United States is one nation. Is that one person? Of course not. So the Bible stating there is one Jehovah or one god might mean the same thing. It could but it might not. Yet it’s good to see Eric is not censoring persons with either belief.
While not making any attempt to influence another Christian’s conscience on this subject, I ask: Is it Christian to invest in the stock market? And I implore Christians who find a biblical reason not to, to produce a scripture backing their opinion. Many churches invest in the stock market. Maybe every large denomination does. I know Watchtower does.
Crypto investors are similar to stock market investors, as will be explained in this article. But first you can learn something about what Bitcoin is here: https://youtu.be/ggTfH8mv7Ls . Or you can research Bitcoin elsewhere.
The author of the YouTube article I posted above appears to not fully understand crypto currencies. So I posted the following comment under his article:
What Are Crypto Investors Investing In?
They are investing in projects that use a new type of technology called blockchain. It is safe method of transfer that eliminates the need for middlemen, like banks, in financial transactions. The technology has other uses also. For instance, it can also securely store and share medical records and educational transcripts.
The creator of Bitcoin invented blockchain technology. But blockchain technology is far bigger and more important than Bitcoin. Bitcoin is merely the asset that first proved blockchain technology has a useful purpose. That’s the most important aspect of Bitcoin-what it proved could work. Blockchain technology takes the internet’s usefulness far beyond where it was before that creation. All crypto projects use blockchain.
Therefore, people knowledgeable about blockchain invest in crypto projects that serve a useful purpose they hope will last, continuing to serve purposes like lending, selling artwork, paying interest on their investment, gaming, or making payments for the investors. Those investors can better be compared to investing in a technology like the internet itself with software programs built on it, than just investing in otherwise useless digital coins for speculative purposes.
We were never allowed to invest in the internet. At best we’ve only been allowed create projects on the internet. But what if you were allowed to invest in the whole internet when it was being created and before it took on mass adaption? That’s the closest thing I can compare crypto investors to.
Everyone who understands that participates. Because they know blockchain should eventually change the world, just as the actual internet did. You should research projects like Cardano, Ethereum, or Polka Dot. These projects either have or will have thousands of separate useful projects built on them. And there are other platforms like the ones I named. Crypto investors invest in these platforms and the projects built on them.
Best Time to Get In
While financially it could have been better to invest earlier, the best time could be right now. Why? Because blockchain technology as a useful tool is proven already (in the beginning it wasn’t). And its use is skyrocketing and will grow exponentially for several years. It’s also been proven that the projects that have gained very large adoption, like Bitcoin and Ethereum, increase in value exponentially over the years despite their volatility. That eventually might stop. But it hasn’t stopped yet. As those projects grew so has their return on investment.
Everyone that lost money in Bitcoin only lost it because they cashed in their Bitcoin at the wrong time. To date that’s the only way anyone could have lost money investing in Bitcoin or Ethereum. While other projects are not as big as those two there are a lot of other very good investments in crypto.
Do your research. It is possible to become a millionaire investing in crypto. Many have, and many will continue to do so. The ones that do pick the right projects and invest before the Bitcoin halving, and they take gains before the cycle ends and dips. Then they reinvest those gains back in later, sometime before the next Bitcoin halving. The whole crypto market cycle (bullish/bearish) is affected by the Bitcoin halving. That halving occurs about every 4 years.
My answer to Terri on Watchtower Examination YouTube:
Hi Terri. There’s ignorance about what scriptures say and a lack of applying Christ’s words coming from members in every denomination, not just from Jehovah’s Witnesses. Jehovah’s Witnesses do teach to turn to Christ for salvation. And if I’m correct, that’s one of the things you or someone else claimed JWs don’t teach. But they do teach it all the time. It’s one of their main teachings.
According to scripture eventually everyone will honor Christ as his/her personal God. We know that based on scriptures. Even though Witnesses don’t call Christ their God, they really treat him as their God. That’s according to a statement Christ told Satan, to “worship your god and serve him only”. They serve Christ as God just as they serve the Father, despite the verbal designation they attach to him claiming he is God’s Son. Does verbally saying he is not God because he follows the Father keep them from heaven? I don’t know that answer. But I do know it won’t send them to what you view as hell.
Most Christians are more deficient in applying scriptures than JWs are. You don’t see it, because you haven’t confronted thousands of Christians one on one to see what they believe and don’t do. I say that after seeing what Christians did, experiencing it while making thousands of cold calls on people who claim Christianity. Most of them didn’t want to talk about Christ or the Bible. Even though the invitation to do so was right in front of them. Most of them didn’t even want to hear a scripture read to them. How many are like that? The number is in the high 90 percentile.
Bible passages reveal God judges people more by their actions than their professions. If a person claims Christianity, but refuses to discuss his faith, even when invited to privately do so, then what are they really? If they don’t want to even hear a scripture read to them, while they don’t have to say anything at all, then what are they? It’s not for me to judge what happens to them, it’s Christ’s position to judge that. But they’ve proven not to be a zealous Christian, if a real Christian at all. And that’s the behavior of most Christians.
Maybe that’s why the saying just believe in Christ and go to heaven is so popular in Christianity, even though it’s not true. The Devil believes, but he isn’t going to heaven.
Not all saved people go heaven. The JWs are correct about that. And maybe that’s what happens to most or all of the saved JWs, just as they believe, they might remain on earth. But I also know it will happen to a lot of other Christians, maybe most of them. Christ takes people to heaven for one reason, to rule over others-Revelation 5:10. And everyone that’s saved does not do that, which is a flaw in teachings I hear from other denominations.
So applying your reasoning, which I don’t, I would have to believe that all those other Christians teaching that are going to hell fires, because they aren’t teaching a true message. But I know that’s not true. There are people teaching wrong messages that will still be taken.
But while it’s not for me to say, what about the majority of Christians that won’t talk about Christ, even if you invite them to? If you were taking a group to rule with you, would you include them? I wouldn’t. I built and ran a business for 20 years. That included hiring, firing, and teaching people to do a job. I hired the ones I thought would reasonably do it.
Like I did in business those in heaven will have to make judgment calls that affect the lives of other individuals. If a person isn’t willing to talk about Christ openly during their lifetime, I doubt that’s the kind of person Christ wants working with him in that important position. And the thing is, no JW is like the Christians I describe above. Most other Christians are exactly like that. So my opinion is you should have more concern about what happens to people in other denominations than for JWs.
Here is another bit of information to support that point. Check out the comments on any channel that speaks against Watchtower, especially comments coming from the comments section. And then think, did any Jehovah’s Witness ever speak against you, although you are a member of another denomination, in that way? I know the answer, and so do you. “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” Christ from John 13:35.
This comment I just posted on Watchtower Examination explains why.
Winston you had the Truth book ( a book designed by WT to convert students). But did you ever read the whole book? The Truth book was designed to convince those who study it with a Witness that every other religious group teaches falsehood, and therefore does not have God’s approval. If the book, and the Witness conducting a study are successful in doing that, then there is only one rational course to take for the student. That course, also the second objective of the book, is to follow God’s one true organization (WT).
When Witnesses use the words ‘the Truth’, they are not describing the noun as it is generally understood. For a Witness ‘the Truth’ means the same as the word Christianity meant in the first century. Or the same as Christianity means to members in other denominations today. JWs call it ‘the Truth’ because they are distinguishing their denomination from all other denominations they consider apostate. The word has nothing to do with whether WT always makes correct statements. The fact WT does not always make correct statements is inconsequential to JWs, because nobody does that on earth today. No business, no religion, no government, no news agency. So the fact WT is wrong at times does not effect JWs.
JWs don’t follow WT because they believe it always speaks ‘the truth’ meaning their statements are always factual. JWs follow WT because they believe statements it makes erroneously are not erroneous by design, telling lies while knowing it’s lying. And like the paragraph above already stated JWs are convinced every other religious group is interpreting scripture so incorrectly that they are instead agents of Satan, used to lead people away from God.
Let’s examine that last sentence. Because Paul did write Satan appears as an agent of light and has his own apostles to lead people away from God. Since we know that’s true, let’s look at WT as if it might be a part of that. You said EX-JW Critical Thinkers JT and Lady Cee are two of the best critical thinkers in the ex-JW community. Are they still Christians? JT certainly knows the Bible well enough, having been an elder, to make the logical choice to follow Christ. So did he? Or did he and his wife leave Christ? If they left then it’s mainly their own fault. But the effect WT had on them is probably a contributing factor for pulling away from God.
Teaching people religious groups have the ability to lead people away from God is what the Truth Book, and other JW study material, is designed to accomplish in students, and to reinforce in JWs. And so WT teaches every other religious group contributes to that, but it does not. That’s what makes JWs follow WT. They are taught there is no where else to go except Satan’s world. WT’s hold on them has nothing to do with how many errors it makes. We all make errors. And we all sin. That’s why when you bring up errors WT makes to an active JW they usually will not talk about it. Because everyone makes errors. And JWs are convinced WT with its errors is a safer place than the world, even when it shares facts.
God often used more than one channel of communication at the same time. Most prophets didn’t work with others to spread messages from God. Most of them worked independently.
Prophets were used while the priesthood also communicate his will. And at the same time the Jewish priesthood and prophets were used, Jewish kings existed. God used some of those kings to spread messages to his people.
Even before there were Jewish kings God raised up leaders, known today as judges, to lead his people. Judges communicated God’s will to his people. The time period of judges also overlapped with the Jewish priesthood.
God even occasionally used people who were not Israelites or even proselytes to communicate messages, as in the case of king Nebuchadnezzar. Once Nebuchadnezzar regained sanity he recognized God for who he is. And Nebuchadnezzar’s statement is recorded in the Bible. Though there is no evidence Nebuchadnezzar became a proselyte.
Must God Use Only One Organization Today?
So why did God use these prophets and kings to communicate messages, after establishing the priesthood to facilitate communications with his people? It’s because God uses whoever and whatever he pleases to accomplish whatever he wants. God is not limited by a human’s belief that he must act a certain way, as Watchtower asserts. Watchtower is emphatically stating God always used one organization of people, and so he must continue to do so. But God does whatever he wants. Had he used one organization, that would not make him do the same thing today.
But in fairness to Watchtower, let’s examine its argument more fully. Watchtower bases its argument on Christians being told to get out of Babylon the Great as the end approaches. And Watchtower teaches Babylon the Great is false religion. So let’s give them that. Do those facts prove God is using only one organization today? What about those ideas would prove that? Nothing.
First, in light of what Christ said in the latter half of Matthew chapter 24 and Luke 21:8 Christians will not know when the end is approaching. Second, telling Christians to get out of false religion does not prove all God’s communications today come filtered through one organization. Those facts just don’t prove that. Plus God didn’t worked that way in the past. Even though false religions existed in the past.
So, getting back to Watchtower’s argument that Jehovah only used one organization to communicate in the past, therefore he must do that today. Well, that idea is proven incorrect. But does that mean he cannot filter all his communications through one organization today? No. He can do whatever he wants. But it does mean God is unlikely to do that. Making that even more unlikely is the fact God’s written message spread throughout the world. When God communicated in Old Testament days it hadn’t. Since God used multiple channels of communication while his messages were limited to a small geographic area, why wouldn’t he use multiple channels now that those messages are global?
Watchtower moves where the money is. Years back Watchtower allowed Jehovah’s Witnesses members in Mexico to carry government cards claiming they’d received military training and were enrolled in the army reserves. Some of the Watchtower members who carried the military card were circuit overseers and pioneers appointed by Watchtower. Some were missionaries. Only Witnesses in that country were allowed to do that, as that action violated Watchtower’s policy on political neutrality. Why did Watchtower allow that? Was it because back then Watchtower was not registering itself as a religion with the Mexican government?
Because had Jehovah’s Witnesses refused to obey the Mexican law requiring men to receive military training and join the army reserve, then Watchtower’s cover as a nonreligious charity would have been blown. That is if they refused because of their religious beliefs attached to Watchtower. And then Mexico would have treated Watchtower as the religion it really was. Watchtower claimed it was a nonreligious charity then.
Why didn’t Watchtower want to be treated as a religion in Mexico? Back then religions were prohibited from buying properties. So instead of renting properties like religions did, Watchtower bought properties, as a nonreligious charity. Once that law changed allowing religions to buy properties Watchtower registered as a religion in Mexico.
The hypocrisy of that act is not the worst thing about it. You see during this same time period African Jehovah’s Witnesses in the country of Malawi were prohibited by Watchtower from purchasing a 25 cents government card. Even though there was only one political party in Malawi at the time. The result of not buying that card caused Witnesses in Malawi to get raped and imprisoned. Some had their homes burned down. Some might have been killed. Watchtower was aware of what was happening to its members there, because Watchtower sent messages to every Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation, asking members to write Malawi’s government requesting it stop the atrocities.
So while Watchtower let Witnesses in Mexico violate its policy on political neutrality, and join the army reserve, Watchtower let Witnesses in Africa get raped, jailed, have their homes burned down, and maybe even killed rather than allowing them to buy a 25 cents government card. I’ll never forget one of the statements Watchtower put in its literature that was sent to all congregations around the globe. Watchtower wrote brothers and sisters in Malawi were being jailed, stripped naked, and naked brothers and sisters were put in the same cell with their pubic hairs tied to each other. Their jailers doing that wanted to see if the Witnesses would have sex with someone they weren’t married to.
Yes Watchtower knew that was going on, because they told us it was happening in Malawi. But do you think they told us that brothers in Mexico were carrying government cards claiming they received military training and were registered in the army reserves? No! If we did that Watchtower would have disfellowshipped us.
Was there any financial incentive for Watchtower to waive its neutrality policy for the brothers and sisters in Malawi? No! Was there a financial incentive for Watchtower to waive its neutrality policy in Mexico? Yes! Could that be the reason for the double standard?
Information about Mexico taken from Ray Franz’s books, In Search of Christian Freedom & Crisis of Conscience
A positive thing about Lloyd (John Cedars): As a Christian I was treated better on his channel, JW Survey, than I was treated as a commenter on two Christian channels. I was a commenter on JW Survey for years. And I’d debate ideas with atheists on JW Survey up the ying yang. But never did any of Lloyd’s editors (Lloyd himself, John Redwood, or Covert Fade) silence me, insult me, or delete one of my comments.
After years of commenting on JW Survey I was invited by one of that channels commenters to check out beroeans.net. After checking it out I started commenting there. While commenting on beroeans.net if I didn’t agree with a point of view expressed in one of their articles then sometimes a couple of their commenters got nasty, and insulting. And sometimes on beroeans.net even when debating others in very civil debates editors on beroeans.net would tell us to move on, and not to discuss that topic anymore. That’s something that NEVER happened on Lloyd’s Survey channel. Finally the owner of beroeans.net sent me a private email demanding I change my tone or get bounced off his site. Well that was it for me there. Since my tone was fine, and it was his brown nose followers that were insulting me I told the site’s owner it wasn’t my tone but my ideas that were obviously his objection. So I said I’m not coming back.
I also commented on christianforums.com for a while. That is until christianforums.com censored me and told me one of its editors must question me, to ascertain if I believe in the Trinity doctrine, before the site would allow me to comment further. If I didn’t believe in the Trinity doc they wouldn’t let me comment anymore. Again, that kind of crap was never done on Lloyd’s channel. So that was it for christianforums.com for me. I wasn’t about to say I believed or didn’t believe in anything to satisfy their administrators. That sounded like being in the backroom with three elders asking if you believe in the “faithful and discreet slave.” What’s the difference? I see none. Again, that kind of crap never happened on Lloyd’s channel.
At the end of this post I’ll direct you to another website to view evidence that drives home these points. Spend time looking at it. If so, the ideas in this post should be evident to you.
People who God does not save want to do things their own way. We all want that. But they want it to the exclusion of following God’s ways. And that’s why he doesn’t save them.
Oh, many of them might claim, “If I really knew there was a god I would follow him.” Think about that statement for one minute. Don’t you know if that was true God would make sure those people knew he exists? After all, he makes sure we know he exists. If God knew they would follow him he would see they knew that also. Because he is not partial. He is not favoring one personality over another. God only wants things done his way because he is God. And since God sees the future he knows what we will do.
Most people who do follow God do not get upset when ideas about God are shared or even debated with them. They talk about the ideas and might even discuss whether an idea is true or not. For them there is nothing to get excited about, because they view such discussions as sharing ideas.
Some people, who don’t want to follow God, get upset when ideas about God are shared. Why? Because they don’t want to hear them. Why not? Aren’t those just ideas to them also? No they are not. So why don’t they want to hear it unless it’s an idea they agree with? Because right away, even though you might just share an idea, they think, “Stop telling ME what to do.” Or, “You cannot tell me what to do, think or believe.”
The fact is when we’re sharing ideas we are not telling anyone what to believe or do. So if they are saying that to us really they are thinking that thought about anyone that doesn’t believe what they do, while sharing ideas about God with them. That’s one of the reasons people killed Christ. It was because of his ideas about God that he shared with them.
Most people like this won’t admit you must think like them to share such thoughts. But that’s really what they want. The reason they want that is because their belief is that everyone has a right to believe whatever he wants about God, and do whatever he wants with that belief. But while that thought might sound good to you, scripturally it’s not true. It’s grounded in the United States Constitution, but it isn’t in the Bible. God grants a privilege but not a right to believe ideas that go against his authority. And most people who get mad when you just share biblical ideas with them know that. And that’s why they say you are trying to assert your will over theirs. Because they know biblically God asserts his will over all others, and they attach that thought to what you share. Even if you don’t bring it up it’s present in their mind.
At the end of this article I’ll send you to another website. The purpose I’m sending you there is to view some comments from commenter on this other website. I didn’t view all of those, just a half dozen or so. But most of the ones I read caused a thought to come to mind. I thought how Satan first came up with an idea not to serve God. And then once that idea spread among angels those that followed him might have sat around, like the commenters on this other site, telling God’s angels:
Stop telling us what to believe.
Stupid, your way is not the only way.
We don’t need to hear that.
I love our leader the Devil; or the Devil is the most loving, and we should all choose what we want.
Notice how that thought is expressed over and over again on this site I’ll send you to. However, their comments are directed towards me, not an angel. And I didn’t even need to tell them that they should follow God to receive such comments. I didn’t even share a scriptural thought with them. Instead, someone turned over an article I wrote to the host of the site. And he spent over an hour venting about the article I wrote. In most of his rant he misrepresented what I said and believe. Why did he do it? For the reasons I stated above.
In the article I listed him as an ex-Jehovah’s Witness who most likely does not accept Christ as God. I wrote that after viewing his videos. So that wound him up for a whole hour, even though he admitted that he isn’t a Christian in the video. For him someone saying that about him was not just an idea, whether true or not true. For him it was, “You cannot tell me what to believe!” And he states that in his video. To him, me telling you, I don’t believe this guy is a Christian, meant STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!!!!
Furthermore, the fellow in the video admitted he’s an antichrist. Yet because he referred to a rather large Christian website that I cited in my article, then he felt compelled to tell the owners of that site to keep doing what they are doing, teaching Christ is God. And why would he say that since he hates the God of the Bible, and he stated he believes the Bible is untrue? Because his thought is really you (other website) leave us alone, and I’ll leave you alone. Let us all believe what we want. Don’t tell me what I should believe. When the fact is neither I nor the fellow owning the Christian site would tell this guy to believe anything. We just share ideas, that’s all.
The fellow in the video misrepresented one of my articles, and it’s possible those commenters bought into his lies when misrepresenting it. But I don’t think accepting his lies is what caused their responses. I believe the ideas I write about in this article caused their responses. And notice how some praised the one in the video who is an admitted antichrist. That’s what really made me think of what it must have been like for Satan, and might still be like for Satan. (He’s the most loving fellow). Really? Check out his demeanor. I don’t see that as loving.
*Caution: The guy who is in the video admits he’s an antichrist. So if it bothers you to view an antichrist rant for an hour then just note the comments from his followers. I’ll post the article that set him off. And below that I post his video.
The message Christ gave at Matthew 24:36 thru Matthew 25:30 was to convey two ideas. And those two points were the only reason he told those stories. Christ was explaining that his disciples will not know the time of his return. He even said they will not expect it when it happens. That idea demolishes the false concept that Christ gave a sign in this monologue to show his followers when his return would be eminent, e.g. a sign of the last days. No such sign exists. *1 And more importantly, his second message was that a favorable consequence will come to disciples that remain faithful to him, contrasting that to the unfavorable consequence coming to unfaithful disciples. Two ideas: 1. You won’t know when I (Christ) will return, 2. and if you are not faithful you won’t receive the reward I promised you.
Christ merely used different vocations to illustrate those two points. The points of his stories were not tied to the vocation of the subjects in those stories. In his faithful and discreet slave story Christ merely used the vocation of elders in Christian congregations. The fact that he used men appointed by him that are feeding his sheep is irrelevant to the points he was making.
How do I know? For two reasons. First, because every person in those illustrations who receives a favorable reward is part of Christ’s anointed church. And Christ said he is their only teacher, men are not their teachers or leaders. Therefore Christians are not to follow men. And the second reason I’m sure of this is because Christ set that story right in the middle of other stories telling these same two messages.
When you read about the faithful slave who could become an evil slave, and what happens to him if he becomes evil, then it’s clear the message is the same. Also, note in that story the slave didn’t know when his master would return. He even thought the master was delaying. Which is the exact message in all those other stories. That story means nothing more than the two men in the field, the two women at the grinding mill, the home owner that was robbed, the 10 virgins, the 3 servants. All have the same themes. Look those scriptures up; or you can find those here: http://debatescripture.org/index.php/2020/01/22/why-you-are-not-a-real-christian-according-to-jehovahs-witnessess/
*1 Christ didn’t give a sign of any “last days.” But he did give a sign of his actual return. That sign will be seen in heaven (the sky).